- Isn’t racism sick and demented? Trump and his supporters are racist
- Loosely written Red Flag laws require mere accusations
- Red flag laws and aspects of enhanced background check legislation can have similar civil liberty implications
- Trump and Republicans give into the unreasonable emotions behind such laws at their political peril (Kurt Schlichter at Townhall)
“Trump said he had spoken with congressional leaders from both parties and asserted that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is “totally on board” with his plans to keep “sick and demented people” from buying firearms.”
Red Flags the new surrender color?
No danger in giving Democrat legislatures and judges control over your Second Amendment rights, right?
Or . . . should very careful thought be given to the usefulness and possible application of such laws?
And can you name more than half a dozen or so people in Congress who are capable of ‘careful thought’? And for Democrats especially who all might that be?
According to Gasbag Beto (O’Rourke) Let’s Face It, It’s ‘Really Hard’ Not To Consider All Trump Voters Racists THAT”S YOU. And of course racists are as evil a thing as one can be and deplorable evil people should not have guns!!
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I know of a guy in my neighborhood…he flies a US flag in front of his residence (even illuminates it at night). He’s retired, maybe 65-70. Watches a lot of cable news…seems to favor Fox. Have seen him on his front porch on his laptop.
He even walks his dog around the neighborhood wearing a MAGA cap. Nobody else in the neighborhood tries to make a ‘political statement’ like that.
The guy is weird.
I suspect he has at least one gun in his home, even though his young grandkids often visit there.
Think I oughta “say something, tell somebody”?
After all, if anything happens, with the ‘Red Flag’ law, I might be held responsible.
{ Is this scenario likely with any Red Flag Law Congress could possibly pass? }
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Oh Democrats would not go that far… would they? And Republicans would be there to stop expansive language and interpretations . . . wouldn’t they? No weak-hitters in Republican ranks right?
As we recall a local legislator once offered a vigorous repudiation of such laws when they are short on due process when one was being considered by the Iowa legislature. We believe his arguments then and what was done to him are relevant to the current frenzy for “red flag” laws. Indeed we “immortalized” some of that via the link just below our masthead titled Shameful.
That link has been present since the first months of this publication’s founding. It describes just how certain Republican powers that be in this state, all claiming fidelity to the Second Amendment out of one side of their mouth, would engage in ruthless activity at the expense of the Second Amendment. So read that and then with a little salt and a touch of trepadation this:
Trump says ‘serious discussions taking place on background checks
By Yaron Steinbuch at Hew York Post
President Trump said Friday that “serious discussions are taking place” among congressional leaders about background checks to keep firearms out of the hands of “mentally ill or deranged people” — though he insisted that the views of the National Rifle Association should be taken into account.
“Serious discussions are taking place between House and Senate leadership on meaningful Background Checks,” the president said on Twitter.
“I have also been speaking to the NRA, and others, so that their very strong views can be fully represented and respected. Guns should not be placed in the hands of mentally ill or deranged people,” he continued.
“I am the biggest Second Amendment person there is, but we all must work together for the good and safety of our Country. Common sense things can be done that are good for everyone!” the president added.
Trump later told reporters at the White House that he was looking for “very meaningful background checks” but was not considering a resurrection of an assault weapons ban. He said he also believes lawmakers will support “red flag” laws that allow guns to be removed from those who may be a danger to themselves and others.
“I see a better feeling right now toward getting something meaningful done,” Trump said when asked why the political environment was different now. “I have a greater influence now over the Senate and the House.”
Trump said he had spoken with congressional leaders from both parties and asserted that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is “totally on board” with his plans to keep “sick and demented people” from buying firearms.
“The Republicans are going to be great and lead the charge along with the Democrats,” he said.
In response, a McConnell spokesman said he had not yet endorsed any legislation, according to The Washington Post.
Speaking to reporters, the president said the NRA strongly supported him during the 2016 election and that he hoped the group can be persuaded of the wisdom of “very meaningful background checks.”
“I think in the end . . . the NRA will either be there or will be a little more neutral, and that’s OK, too,” said Trump, who referred to NRA members as “great patriots,” adding that he had spoken with the gun lobby’s chief executive Wayne LaPierre this week.
Trump acknowledged that there have been previous efforts to strengthen background checks “that went nowhere,” but, he added, “There’s never been a president like President Trump.”
His comments come a day after McConnell said he wants to consider background checks and other bills in the wake of two mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, that claimed 31 lives.
The GOP leader won’t be calling senators back to work early, as some are demanding, but he told a Kentucky radio station that the president called him Thursday morning and they talked about several ideas.
The president, he said, is “anxious to get an outcome, and so am I.”
“What we can’t do is fail to pass something,” McConnell said. “What I want to see here is an outcome.”
McConnell said he and the president discussed several ideas, including background checks and the so-called “red flag” laws that allow authorities to seize firearms from anyone considered a threat to themselves or others.
“Background checks and red flags will probably lead the discussion,” McConnell told Louisville’s WHAS-AM.
He noted “there’s a lot of support” publicly for background checks. “Those are two items that for sure will be front and center as we see what we can come together on and pass.”
Republicans have long opposed expanding background checks, and a bill passed by the Democrat-led House has stalled in the Senate.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said the president assured them Thursday that he would review the House-passed bill that expands federal background checks for firearm sales.
Related reading:Kurt Schlichter at Townhall:
Trump Is Unlikely To Commit Political Suicide by Betraying Us On Guns
Donald Trump is a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. Like all of us, he is understandably horrified by the murder sprees of that progressive environmental eugenics weirdo and that member of Big Chief Warren’s tribe.* But Trump is also keenly aware that any betrayal of his supporters on a literally life or death issue like guns – if you’ve been listening to the left you have a good idea what miserable fate awaits you if you get disarmed and they take power – will result in his wholesale abandonment by his supporters. No, his base probably won’t go vote for the furry, or Doxxy Castro’s brother, or Gaffe-y McOldenheimer. His base will just stay home. Trump will lose, the GOP will lose the Senate, and the left will take over. And bad things will happen to the liberal elite’s enemies, not least of all to Trump and his family.
Trump understands this. And he understands that the media is trying to get him to alienate his own supporters. But so far, he has never stuck us in the back even after the garbage media eagerly reports on his conciliatory talk on subjects near and dear to us in the hopes that it means a betrayal is incoming. It never has been in the past. There’s no reason to believe he would sell us out now.
We would not forgive him. To go left on guns would be, at a minimum, political suicide.
Look, it’s right to be suspicious of all politicians, including Donald Trump. After all, we conservatives have been betrayed by our alleged leaders so often that Felonia Milhous von Pantsuits feels sorry for us over how often we’ve been cheated on by GOP pols cavorting with the Dems.
For years, our so-called champions rolled-over, gave-in and backstabbed us so consistently that, in deep desperation, we picked a New York reality TV star as the last, best hope for conservatism. And he’s delivered – most of those cruise-shilling hacks who lied to us for so long are either out of office, pretending to conform for fear of our vengeance, or are writing for whatever unread cheesy blog replaced the Weekly Standard.
Trump has always come through in the end, but on the way, his unique tactics can make us nervous. We worried that Trump was going to let them pull the amnesty wool over his eyes to get some kind of deal. That did not happen. People fretted that he would give away the farm to the pudgy Korean dictator. Trump has not. Trump’s style is to talk in a conciliatory manner and to speak nicely of his opponents during negotiations, but not to take a crummy deal.
The same is likely true now on guns. Trump is talking in a conciliatory way as a prelude to negotiations. But Trump has not said he would embrace a ban on so-called “assault weapons” – he understands that if he does so he might as well call a moving van. Nor did Cocaine Mitch – the Murder Turtle (his enemies bestow the greatest nicknames upon him) only observed that it would be “front and center” in the debate because that’s where the Democrats seeking to disarm us would put it. McConnell knows a sellout on guns makes him the minority leader; he’s not going to let those socialist creeps take our AR-15s.
Trump did mention improved background checks, and frankly, there is room for improvement. How many times have government incompetence let some leftist freak* who should have been barred by a conviction or mental instability buy a gun? Way too many. As for “red flag” laws, the idea of a process where a guy announcing his intent to go on a murder spree to, say, promote the Bernie Sanders agenda by attacking a baseball field full of Republicans,* is sensible in theory. But in practice, the due process considerations are essential – I mean serious due process guarantees, with teeth. Leftists have already promised to abuse these laws, so massive penalties for misuse of them to persecute political opponents must be part of the mix.
But any move toward the Democrat position that our basic gun rights are negotiable or that we can be disarmed in any way would be utterly unacceptable. And Trump knows this – he knows what we will and will not tolerate. He’s certainly not like the Fredocon GOP goofs who get MSNBC hits because they are eager to submit to the media’s narrative. He’s too smart to do exactly what the Democrats are using this furor to try to trick him into doing – create a rift between him and his base so one of the 272 pinko morons running for the Donkey nom can sneak in and win an election that right now is Trump’s to lose.
Trump does not want to lose.
Subsequent to this posting we also found this gem from Sheriff David Clark (ret) at Townhall:
